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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome to that ufo

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podcast the other show we are on kgra

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digital broadcasting thanks to the guys

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from ucr who have just been on before us

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and i think jane texas ufo jane might

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have been with them as well for that one

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i know she was joining for the shows so

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thank you very much to those folks uh

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really excited for this one i'm flying

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solo for this one dan has the night off

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so he's going to be doing the editing

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anyway but really looking forward to

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speaking to author uh journalist

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former comedian all-around good guy

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christopher plane from the debrief chris

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welcome to the podcast thanks for having

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me on you know that's how you know

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you're the big time guest when you and

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dan get together and dan goes yeah i

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don't really need to be there for this

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right you can you can handle that so

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that's another one big time it's really

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funny he's he's never missed a louis

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lazondo interview um

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yeah yeah he's always on for those like

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i've heard him cancel major events like

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i mean they really missed him at that

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funeral but you know it was like yeah

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he's always on for the big ones but yeah

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um dan is actually missing this because

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he is on witness citizen with sean rash

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so that is his he was actually going to

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be on this one so he's gave me some good

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questions for you as well so uh listen

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chris we're going to talk a little bit

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firstly about your background and i just

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want to know off the bat what was your

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interest in ufos growing up

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uh so i there's two aspects of the story

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i've mentioned in previous podcasts but

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basically uh

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in may of 77 right before i turned eight

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years old uh

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i saw the ufo so i was a little kid and

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there wasn't really any context at least

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for me as i tell people the movie close

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encounters was uh of the third kind was

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still a few months away from coming out

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and would be a few years before i would

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see it and it was just a triangle real

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high in the sky it didn't have any

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uh observables other than silent but you

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know i had that

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it just was kind of in the brain as

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something weird it wasn't really until i

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became an adult that i had context for

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it and then uh the other half of it is

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there's a television show that came on

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in the states in the 70s it started that

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same year in the fall as it turns out

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and uh it was called in search of

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and it was hosted by leonard nimoy who

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was spock on star trek and

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i always tell people the best comparison

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is it was the predecessor to ancient

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aliens

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they would do

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atlantis pyramids

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uh but they would do

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uh remote viewing and in those days it

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was called astral projection in the 70s

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but at least publicly so

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that was that was the show that blew me

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away i saw that show with my father

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and we would watch it religiously and

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jesse marcel

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at max brazil's ranch in corona outside

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of roswell to pick up the debris

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and that was that interview that you

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still see clips of to this day where he

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was a pretty old man at that point

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talking about what he saw or didn't see

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and all through the wasteland of the

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every magazine article

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when when bob lazar's book came out

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brand new and ran out get that

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when uh colonel corso's book the day

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so that's kind of how that whole

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interest started and uh it's just been

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something i followed throughout my life

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on one hand just with the curiosity to

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understand what it was i saw as a little

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boy and then uh just a

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a general curiosity in science and

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astronomy and technology the things i

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write about at the debrief and how i see

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those two worlds slowly but surely

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coming together as i age in my life and

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i see science and ufos getting ready to

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meet in the middle and it's very

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exciting

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i think a lot of people can relate to

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that similar to myself i had that sight

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an interest in kind of mysteries and

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built and i remember you talk about

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those pre-internet days i had in the

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encyclopedia in carter i think it was

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and it was on a cd rom and you would put

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it in and you could look up like

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pyramids ufos aliens and it might come

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kind of becoming a thing for everyone so

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i think a lot of people listening

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they'll be able to to relate to that

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just before we get to the again how that

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bled into your life and your writing

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that you mentioned you you got into

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comedy writing we talked just before we

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recorded about your your time doing

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stand-up and we've got a question for

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for you from michael mataloni and he

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says he understands that you used to

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write jokes for michael on his shows on

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the debrief why do you think it is that

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michael never told any of those jokes

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oh boy michael mataloni i would say

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michael's not as bright as he looks

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probably that would be the easiest

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explanation

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lou ximenez said something similar to me

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but we'll pass by that and we'll move on

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i've heard squid i've heard squidding

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hates them off camera like they have a

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real rivalry here uh i i spent two hours

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tearing those guys up on friday so i

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guess they decided to have you proxy bus

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bike you know what i love it do you know

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i i should say something about

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luis because uh he forgot my name when

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he was introducing you and he was like

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oh and dan at that ufo podcast and and

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there was a total silence and he was

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like andy andy that's it so hi luis but

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yeah it was a really good show really

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enjoyed listening to that and um

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i've tried to change this up a little

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bit because you covered a lot of ground

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in that time and we've got half the time

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as well but listen people were asking me

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about your comedy writing um dan my

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co-host was mentioning you know it's a

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very different goal compared to things

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you write about for the debrief and yet

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dan was mentioning to me he sees a lot

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of people in comedy and writers making

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the jump to a more serious style of

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writing is that what pulled you in this

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direction or was it just a total you

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i never set out to write news or write

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for the debris for right science and

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technology uh i did stand up all through

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the 90s as you mentioned right into the

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early 2000s at that point i kind of

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transitioned into writing uh

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commercially so writing uh the

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occasional tv script or movie script or

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writing stand up for other comedians

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and uh writing freelance stuff i would

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odd call for somebody was gonna be on a

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a tv show and they needed a monologue or

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somebody was going to be so i would get

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these kind of odd uh writing things and

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somewhere around 2010 i decided to write

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books so i have three novels available

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way and a couple more after that so i i

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from stage to writing across the 2000s i

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would do a show here and there by 2010 i

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was pretty much a writer and this is

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i was just on the internet i was

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watching a a

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unidentified with lou elizondo

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i think like a lot of people you get

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tantalized by what's on tv and you go

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all right i'm gonna dive deep and i

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hadn't jumped back into ufos on any deep

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level uh for a number of years and i

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always followed it any story that came

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up anything that popped up you know the

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alien autopsy video whatever it would be

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any story would come to the fore i would

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follow it but i wouldn't really dive in

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so i decided to dive in last fall

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i was on ufo twitter again like i don't

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it but i didn't really use it

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and timing just happened

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that a couple of months before the

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debrief came out

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i was following uh tim mcmillan one of

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my bosses at the debrief on twitter and

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he mentioned

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he teased that he had this big story

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coming yeah which turned out to be the

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story that launched the debrief

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and i said okay i replied to him on

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twitter and i said all right i have

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three guesses and i guessed three things

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of what i thought his story would be and

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one of them as it turns out was really

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damn close to what he ultimately guessed

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or what he wrote and he replied to me

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two of these three are incorrect and it

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blew twitter up within a day i went from

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20 twitter followers to 200 because

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everybody in the ufo said hey if this

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guy can get tim mcmillan to reply to him

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i want to see what's going on there so

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tim and i started interacting

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occasionally online

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and because of that i was following the

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people he was following

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i i like many fans was there on november

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30th the day the debrief kicked off

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about five days later there was a

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posting up on twitter that said we're

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looking for writers at the debrief

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like most authors when you have books

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out to publish there are only so many

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places you can go to promote those books

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and i said hey here's something i know a

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lot about i've been following ufos my

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it's something i'm pretty well informed

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on i'm not as current as as the 2017 the

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current there's a lot i'm picking up

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that's happened in the last few years

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but but up until the 2010s i felt pretty

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current so i reached out to mj and he

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says yeah i don't really need anyone to

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write about ufos i have plenty of ufo

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writers and me micah hanks ryan sprague

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jazz shaw who's amazing uh tim of course

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he said but do you have any interest in

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writing about science and technology and

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i said absolutely i'm looking for a

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place to promote my books my books are

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fantasy and science fiction coming up

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and i thought it was a perfect overlap

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and next thing you knew they had hired

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me brought me on staff and i'm uh

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10 months in change or so into that gig

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and having fun

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yeah it's been a huge success the

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debrief and we all remember the build up

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and the articles and it's broken some

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great stories and i think the success is

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partly down to that variation in what

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they talk about it's not just uf owners

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so if there is that lull which we have

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in the especially in the ufo twitter

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versus everyone eats each other up for

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for those breaks between the news you

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can go on there for a lot of different

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things as well and i find myself doing

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that too which which is fantastic

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how do you find your style of writing

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fits into the structure with the overall

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team

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so that took a while i'm not gonna lie

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if i go back and read my debrief stories

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from the first couple of months

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i was constantly encouraged by the guys

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you're a good writer you're doing a good

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job but

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it's like any skill it's like a

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michael jordan trying to play golf which

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was something you know trying to play

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baseball which is something happened in

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the late 1990s when he tried to go from

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basketball he was a world-class athlete

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they're both sports right so i have the

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same thought here i write comedy i've

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written scripts tv shows i've written a

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couple of novels how hard and i used to

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write pretty regularly for a basketball

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website in the u.s for lakers uh because

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i live in southern california so i said

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how hard can it be to write news well as

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it turns out

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when you're writing news you're not

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writing in your own voice it's not a

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first person you're not

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telling a story or narrating and the

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vast majority of my writing had happened

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in that method so yeah early on it was

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real pain like it wasn't something i was

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good at it took me a while to get a good

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rhythm with it

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but now yeah i'm very proud of the work

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i put out over there and it's fun

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because as you noted

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we still are breaking ufo stories i tell

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people all the time the debrief is like

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anyone else we go through walls we go

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through these these periods where maybe

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it's not as hot of information so that

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stuff is still coming but in between

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when i write stories about uh star trek

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technologies that are coming closer to

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reality or the world's most exclusive

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anti-gravity club which i wrote about

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which is a bunch of researchers those

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sort of stories do really well because

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as you pointed the audience is not

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we're not a one-note audience i'm sure

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when you have private discussions with

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people uh guests and

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fans of your show it's not all just a

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ufo discussion it's what brings us

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together it's what brought me to the

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debrief and it what what led me to find

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those guys but

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the stuff around it the advancing

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technology the search for life uh the

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the headway we're making on things like

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potential warp drives or these advanced

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propulsion things that we're seeing it's

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really exciting to to write about and uh

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stay on top of

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well that's what i was going to ask you

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next anyway chris is what right now is

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exciting you most about this subject

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because there's a lot going on and i

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can't emphasize enough and i've said

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this a few times that when people

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in the moment are complaining there's no

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news we've not had any new videos leak

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or some new photographs or where's the

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black triangle photo if you actually

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take a step back and look at the

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timeline of the last year there has been

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so much come out and so much news

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it might not be that the news everyone

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always wants but if you go back to those

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you talked about the pre-internet days

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even the the 2000s to 2015-16

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there was nothing like what we're living

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through now in terms of ufo news it was

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the same stuff for years at a time

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nick it was a 15-year wasteland i i tell

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people all the time in 2001

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when dr greer did the um

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club the national press club event where

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he essentially

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brought out all of these military

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witnesses a lot of the people we see in

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the james fox movie a lot of these

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experts

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that was insane in 2001. we couldn't

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believe that was happening that was

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something ufo fans and researchers had

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been waiting decades to have happen and

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within a few months the us here in the

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states we were in a war with the

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uh middle east we were you know in

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september 11th was only about you know

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four months after the national press

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club event and it just kicked it off the

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news and it really wasn't until

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2017 when things kick back off yeah i

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tell people all the time i say the one i

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don't have the expert knowledge of the

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john greenwald i don't have the

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insider's knowledge of louis elizondo i

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don't have the little black blook of a

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tim mcmillan that can call these people

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and get information but what i can tell

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you from following this since

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1977 is

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there is no time like right now we have

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the the top astronomy professor at

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harvard running a hunt for ufo project

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the head of nasa is out talking about

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hunting for ufos when he talks about the

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search for extraterrestrial life he'll

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start the conversation on mars and he'll

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finish the conversation talking about

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the 60 minutes interview with what the

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pilot saw and he sews those two things

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together the department of defense is

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looking into we have more scientists

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more researchers

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more intelligent people

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looking into this topic

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than the rest of history put together it

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really feels that way it really feels so

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i tell people all the time you can get

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two things one is what you said

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a video

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a photo a

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testimony that's irrefutable

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you can also get people hunting for

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those things so it's true that while

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we're not getting the ones we want right

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away what we are getting is an army of

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interested people

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journalists researchers podcasters

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everybody working in the same direction

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this is unprecedented it's never been

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like this in my lifetime i i never would

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have thought five years ago i'd be doing

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interviews talking about ufos because i

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was you know secretly trying to sell

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some of my books i had no idea and here

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we are

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there are i get interviews from my pr

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director regularly chris he's saying do

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you want to do this interview do you

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want to go on that ship there is more

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momentum and more energy behind this

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than ever and i feel like that creates a

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matter of time situation i think we're

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in a matter of time before we have the

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things everyone wants and i wouldn't

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have said that even five years ago well

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i'll ask you why now though because like

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you say if you look at the in the early

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2000s we had the press club event steven

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grier and co

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and came out and said what they said

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some incredible testimony

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and then

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forward to just a few weeks ago robert

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salas put together a group very similar

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and came out with again historic

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military testimony talking about you

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know deactivation of nuclear weapons and

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various sightings and that seems to have

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gathered momentum

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do you think it's just a case of it was

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the right time to rehash that because of

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what's going on but also why do you

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think all this is going on now

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so i think there's a number of factors

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at work i think the single largest

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motivating factor uh

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for the latest wave

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popped up in 2017 with those videos and

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lou elizondo and chris mellon and all of

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that

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but i think there was a groundwork being

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laid by

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from ancient aliens to the history

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channel to the discovery channel to

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other podcasts

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and the thing i tell people all the time

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to keep in mind is we're talking about a

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generational difference from stephen

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grier to now that is 20 years ago when

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they mark generations in the united

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states historically like we have the

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baby boomers well that was 1946 to more

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or less 64. it's an 18-year run gen xers

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are more or less 65 to 80 or 81 about 16

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years so from 2001 to 2020

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what has happened on this planet is

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we've lost a bunch of older skeptical

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people who were born and raised in a

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time where simply the idea of going to

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space

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simply the idea of sending a satellite

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up or going to the moon or those things

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were much more insane and it was

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replaced by entire generation of people

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that grew up watching ancient aliens for

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fun on a sunday and

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being in a much more modern scientific

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environment so i think somebody who's

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watching an analog television in 1947 if

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they were lucky enough to have a

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television might find the idea of a

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visitor from another planet in a

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technological ship or a probe from

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another planet completely outlandish but

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in 2021

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when we're sending probes to other

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planets that poke around and drive

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around and look for things it just seems

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and another thing i point to all the

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time

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exoplanets you know before 1995 we

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didn't know there were any and i can

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tell you for people my age and older

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i was well into my 20s when that

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happened and it was something that was

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used as an argument against ufos and

530
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alien life as there aren't even planets

531
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out there where these supposed aliens if

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they're e.t forget time travelers or any

533
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of the others but just the first premise

534
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the extraterrestrial premise how do you

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support that if there aren't other

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planets if they're not in the habitable

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zones so i think all of these things

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they think science

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technology

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and a whole new generation sunny white

541
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told me he's a a former nasa engineer

542
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who's the pioneer in the work drive

543
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harold sunny white and he told me that

544
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across colleges and across universities

545
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people are writing phd theses about ufos

546
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about exotic propulsion about

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anti-gravity

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it is an entire army there is an entire

549
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,520
general a whole new generation of people

550
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,400
that were raised saying i'm open to the

551
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,120
idea of ufos and that's what it really

552
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,520
takes to to research something is to

553
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,760
just be open to it

554
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,919
as someone who's grown up with that

555
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,480
old-school ufology in the background and

556
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,000
then to see what's happening now with

557
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,840
your interest in your your writing with

558
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,159
the debrief do you think the two can

559
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,799
coexist because there does seem to be

560
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,360
i notice it in the uk particularly a

561
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,559
very old school ufologist group where

562
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,159
it's the same

563
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,640
old heads who for a long long time have

564
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,120
discussed the same cases and they don't

565
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,120
necessarily take to what's happened the

566
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:08,960
last four years and they're very

567
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,679
skeptical and to be fair i can see why

568
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,360
but then you've also got people i

569
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:14,799
suppose i have to put my hand up

570
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,159
although i've had a lifelong interest my

571
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:19,679
face or voice being out there in the

572
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,000
subject is pretty recent i can't hide

573
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,480
that that's been the last 18 months and

574
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,840
what got me involved in such a way was

575
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,320
to the stars academy unidentified the

576
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,960
series and and having questions i didn't

577
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,200
felt were being asked on other platforms

578
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,480
at the time that's why i started the

579
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,840
podcast

580
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,600
what do you think of those two groups

581
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,280
and the co-existing of both or do you

582
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,280
think one has to be left behind for the

583
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:46,159
other to move on uh so

584
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,280
i

585
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,720
my

586
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,480
grandmother used to tell me that people

587
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,320
don't change their minds

588
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,559
that old people with old ideas die and

589
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,039
new people with new ideas are born now i

590
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,520
don't think that's a hundred percent the

591
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,480
case i do think but uh the odds of you

592
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,720
changing your mind as you age go down i

593
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,880
can tell you i'm in my early 50s and i

594
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,440
change my mind a lot less than i used to

595
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,200
because you have a lot more information

596
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,200
to go on and a lot more experience to go

597
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,120
on so if somebody tells me hey i'm

598
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,600
pretty sure the loch ness monster is a

599
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,000
dinosaur left over i say well that was

600
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,080
something i believed when i was 11 years

601
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,400
old but after a lifetime of reading

602
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,200
about science and reading about uh

603
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,600
animal behavior reading about biology

604
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,080
understanding how evolution works i feel

605
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,480
like there's a very very very unlikely

606
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,880
reality that nessie is a dinosaur that's

607
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,640
been living in a lake for a few million

608
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,799
years much less an offspring of a

609
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,679
dinosaur you know and again so i i think

610
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,400
that's the big change i i do think

611
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,120
something i've noted that i think is

612
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,799
interesting about the current

613
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,320
environment

614
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,640
is a drift

615
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,600
from the et hypothesis to the other

616
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,360
options and i don't think that's a bad

617
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,360
thing i want to be clear on that i don't

618
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,080
think that looking into the idea of

619
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,320
other non-human technological

620
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:09,360
intelligences being a dimensional or

621
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:13,039
time or uh you know uh some sort of

622
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,720
other origin

623
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,960
so i think that's the biggest difference

624
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,679
i see from the old school researchers

625
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:21,360
and the new school

626
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,159
is

627
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,159
as i said for the old school research

628
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,880
researchers in their era

629
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,919
the idea of aliens from another planet i

630
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,080
said was so foreign might as well have

631
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,880
been time travelers inter-dimensional in

632
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,480
2021

633
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,880
when a college student is turning on tv

634
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:40,080
and going hey i want to learn going to

635
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,549
so much has changed the exoplanets the

636
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,880
extreme biology the extremophiles on our

637
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,279
own planets the conformation of water on

638
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,919
mars water and a bunch of other plants

639
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:57,200
so much more modern environment

640
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:58,840
that the eti

641
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,240
hypothesis has almost become too simple

642
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,000
and i don't say that in a bad way i just

643
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,679
think a lot of people have gone like

644
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,600
well that's almost a given it almost

645
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,039
feels like it's a given that we're going

646
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,880
to find life elsewhere whether they're

647
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,120
coming here or not you still get into

648
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,200
the neil degrasse tyson argument of

649
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,200
distance and you still get into the

650
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,200
drake equation of the fermi paradox a

651
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,960
lot of these other issues

652
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,240
but yeah i really do think

653
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,120
that what's gonna happen is either we're

654
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,360
going to get something significant in

655
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,880
disclosure that is significant enough

656
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,760
that it it answers those questions that

657
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,720
it addresses that jacques vallet and

658
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,799
nick mcgrillen are both happy with the

659
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,360
answer right like a guy who was doing

660
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,559
this in the 1960s and a guy who's been

661
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,400
doing this as you said for 18 months

662
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,720
publicly that both of you will be you

663
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,559
know if we have a ship in bodies from

664
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,880
roswell i think everybody goes hey all

665
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,960
right we and we find that i think

666
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,960
there's a general agreement but what i

667
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,520
think is more likely to happen

668
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,840
is that old people with old ideas will

669
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,840
die and new people with new ideas will

670
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,159
board and there will be a time that if

671
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,559
this issue is not solved in 20 or 30

672
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,159
years which i actually do think it will

673
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,559
be for a number of reasons but if it's

674
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,200
not solved in the next 20 or 30 years

675
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,200
there may be a new generation of people

676
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,880
coming when you're my age or you guys

677
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,480
are even older than me

678
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,039
talking about uh time travelers and

679
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,720
extra dimensional that's not that

680
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,279
outside of the box we're talking about

681
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,679
supernatural ghosts from the future or

682
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,600
something so i was going to ask you

683
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,679
something you've talked about there as

684
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,520
you've touched on your own personal

685
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,279
theories of what may or may not be

686
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,000
happening do you subscribe to you've

687
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,840
said it's almost too simple now that

688
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,919
it's aliens coming from another planet

689
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,240
that seems like such an old notion but

690
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,640
still a fascinating one what are what

691
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,400
are some of your thoughts as to what may

692
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:54,159
be going on chris

693
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,440
so

694
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,360
here's the way i like to approach a

695
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,279
question like that is

696
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,600
like everyone else i don't know

697
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,559
right but my guesses are

698
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,200
i would not be the least bit surprised

699
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,080
if we're dealing with a range of things

700
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,320
and here's why

701
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,320
the the earth has been here for a little

702
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,880
over 4 billion years

703
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:17,840
the

704
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:20,600
universe has probably been around for

705
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,320
13.8 billion years or almost 14.

706
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,279
so

707
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,240
there's a very good chance that if there

708
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,559
is life on other planets at least some

709
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,919
of us some of it has anywhere from a 10

710
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,960
billion

711
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,159
to a 10 minute start on us you know is

712
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,480
ahead of us to some degree

713
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,279
yes so i don't think it's impossible for

714
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,760
something like oh muammua which was a

715
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,840
big astronomical object that passed

716
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,760
through our solar system

717
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,440
something like that even if that one

718
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,000
specifically wasn't an alien probe i

719
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,159
think we could see something like that

720
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,559
from a society that's not that much more

721
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,080
advanced than ours we could put

722
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,159
something like omuamo with the solar

723
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,640
sail and point it at another star it

724
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,799
would take a thousand years to get there

725
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:09,039
uh but we could do that

726
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:09,840
so

727
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,600
uh and then things like the tic tac

728
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:15,760
you know again like feels like a von

729
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,600
neumann probe to me it feels like uh

730
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,600
something more advanced than somebody

731
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,799
that would send the the uh omuamua and

732
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,440
so i wouldn't be surprised again like

733
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,640
think of an interesting uh

734
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,159
archaeological location on the planet

735
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,880
earth i think of an isolated tribe in

736
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,520
brazil that are hunter gatherers that

737
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:40,000
are living a hunter-gatherer existence

738
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,480
and we study them right so uh uh

739
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,799
somebody from brazil who may not have a

740
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,720
ton of money and works at the local

741
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,120
community college might go study them on

742
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,200
the ground with the binoculars and

743
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,840
telescopes and somebody with a little

744
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,720
bigger company budget might fly over

745
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,880
them and study them from the air with

746
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,440
airplanes and in the u.s we might study

747
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,840
them with satellites and that's just the

748
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,880
different technological levels on

749
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:10,399
our

750
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,600
so i wouldn't be the i it would

751
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,080
feel more natural it feels like it would

752
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,480
make more sense

753
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,360
if we were being studied by multiple

754
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,080
phenomena and for no other reason then

755
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,120
we're just damn interesting you know for

756
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,120
tens of thousands of years humans have

757
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,240
pretty much biologically been the same

758
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,480
we've only been using electricity for

759
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,679
like 100 something you know not even 200

760
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
years

761
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,480
we haven't even had computers for 100

762
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,480
years we've only had aviation for a

763
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,799
little over 100 years so we're at a

764
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,440
really compelling time if i were on

765
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:51,760
another planet and we were a thousand

766
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,399
years in advance of where humans are now

767
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,399
we're exactly the type of place i would

768
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,159
want to study and keep an eye on and

769
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:00,640
evaluate if for no other reason than

770
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,679
scientific curiosity so i think a range

771
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,080
of possibilities are there i'll admit

772
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,000
i'm a little old school i'm a little

773
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,360
less inclined to time travelers from the

774
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,399
future because i have a strong feeling

775
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:16,559
that going backwards in time is not a

776
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,919
doable thing um m theorists and string

777
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,000
theorists would argue with me but i

778
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,000
would tell them go find some magnetic

779
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,000
monopoles and then we'll talk but you

780
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,840
know so there are scientific reasons why

781
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,039
i feel that's

782
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,320
a difficult proposition to sell me same

783
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,039
way with supernatural answers but as i

784
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,120
tell people all the time until we have

785
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,120
an answer to does god exist and where

786
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,200
does life come from why are we all here

787
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,200
all supernatural answers have to be on

788
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,559
the table

789
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,799
i think with the the time travel stuff

790
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,640
again you look at it from a very human

791
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,360
perspective that can you turn that clock

792
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,440
back and go to five minutes ago or can

793
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,960
we turn it forward and go to five

794
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,440
minutes from now but you potentially you

795
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,960
have to look at time as being something

796
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,120
that can be understood or observed in

797
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,960
different ways by something else that's

798
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,360
evolved and you hear even bill nelson

799
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,600
from nasa talk about other universities

800
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:09,760
where somewhere else the concept of time

801
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,320
might be totally different and just

802
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,159
something that we can't even understand

803
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:15,760
but like you say it could still

804
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,960
potentially be time travel who knows and

805
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,880
it's a very interesting idea again about

806
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,960
you see a tribe in brazil who is you

807
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,799
know untouched by human hands and yes

808
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:26,320
someone's at a distance looking through

809
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,519
binoculars

810
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,279
someone else different group is flying

811
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,760
overhead you know the government can be

812
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,159
watching via satellite potentially and i

813
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,919
always wonder again if if those

814
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,200
different

815
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,440
groups who are all watching are they

816
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,279
aware of each other and i think the same

817
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,360
with some of this umbrella phenomena you

818
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,760
wonder if it was different entities and

819
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,559
species and an interdimensional race and

820
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,720
a race from another planet are they even

821
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,880
aware of each other too and that that

822
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,799
always impressed me but that's a whole

823
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,039
it's a whole other conversation i think

824
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,039
it's a great really interesting

825
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,760
conversation i would i would guess with

826
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,000
no knowledge at all you can start at the

827
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,000
top of the tree and go down so whoever

828
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,279
the most advanced species or advanced uh

829
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,279
intelligence of that is might have a

830
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,360
very good feeling that oh yeah here's

831
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,200
these humans on this planet here's these

832
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,519
interdimensionals running around i see a

833
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,039
couple of time travelers there might be

834
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,440
somebody at the top level that sees it

835
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,000
all and knows it all or yes it could be

836
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,000
very well be the possibility that the

837
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,159
only awareness they have of each other

838
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,080
is anecdotally through us they go well

839
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,760
we're observing humans and they're

840
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,519
talking about all these other things so

841
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,440
it must be there but we're not observing

842
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,760
it yeah who knows that's an excellent

843
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,159
would love to do an episode on that oh

844
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,440
yeah that's that's a whole another one

845
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,399
in itself

846
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,559
um and we mentioned or i mentioned bill

847
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,399
nelson uh looking at the comments of the

848
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,799
nasa director and you talked about the

849
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,960
galileo project also yourself and it

850
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,360
seems the narrative between science

851
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,760
and uaps is starting to shift in a very

852
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,200
positive way

853
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,039
we're finding our scientific

854
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,279
trailblazers and problem solvers

855
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,360
starting to get involved from the

856
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,919
mainstream into this subject what are

857
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,279
your thoughts on where that could

858
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,519
potentially go is it just a flash in the

859
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,519
pan or do you see this kind of gaining

860
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,880
some momentum

861
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,240
so

862
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,480
science likes results right science

863
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,440
likes provable repeatable results so

864
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:21,600
could i imagine a scenario where three

865
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,039
to five years from now uh avi loeb is

866
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,480
holding a press conference with his

867
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,880
hands i'm going we didn't find anything

868
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,919
and

869
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,919
bill nelson from nasa is holding a press

870
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
conference saying the same thing and the

871
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,080
dod says we're not going to release any

872
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,000
secret information but what we can tell

873
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:39,840
you is we pretty much accounted for

874
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,360
those under 143 events and you know are

875
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
those

876
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,720
scenarios there sure i think that that

877
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,200
possibility exists i think we have to be

878
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,240
open to the possibility that uh the

879
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:54,640
phenomenon is of in nature that it can

880
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,080
uh avoid being evaluated scientifically

881
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,080
by humans who are again like pretty

882
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:01,919
brand new at things like telescopes and

883
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,360
computers and stuff so it just made

884
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,880
i think that's a reality we all have to

885
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,800
be comfortable with that with that being

886
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,639
said

887
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:13,040
somebody like bill nelson

888
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,079
who

889
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,919
by all appearances has had the

890
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,760
opportunity to see

891
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,119
uh the dod material he seems because of

892
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,480
his connection with the senate

893
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,639
intelligence committee beforehand and

894
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,839
his you know uh uh role there and the

895
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,560
way he talks about it and same thing

896
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,240
with lou elizona you know i've never

897
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,159
talked to lou but the guys i work with

898
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,879
have relationships with him and you know

899
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,560
i don't want to share anything private

900
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,839
but i can just tell you that the

901
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:41,839
impression i get from people like lou

902
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:45,119
elizondo and lou mou chris mellon and

903
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,720
bill nelson and these people that have

904
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,440
seen these videos have seen these other

905
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,000
photos uh are

906
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,800
are definitely sold that there's a real

907
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,800
phenomenon and a real

908
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,480
non-human

909
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
technological intelligence phenomenon

910
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,440
so i think

911
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,560
you know

912
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,119
this is all we've asked for people might

913
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,839
and again i i think this is what we're

914
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,400
asking for now but this is what we've

915
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,920
all asked for is

916
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:16,000
two things one we want the smartest

917
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,599
people on the planet looking into the

918
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,720
problem in a serious way and i see a

919
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,000
problem because i was at the uh aiaa

920
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,920
convention where pilots and engineers

921
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,560
were talking about the threat to mid-air

922
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,240
collision where ryan graves uh former

923
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,920
naval aviator who was one of the

924
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,720
witnesses on 60 minutes said i believe

925
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,040
it is a matter of time before we have a

926
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,200
mid-air collision and i'm surprised we

927
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,920
haven't had one yet so with the

928
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,480
situation like that with bill nelson

929
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,800
saying the other day that there are 300

930
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,040
more incidents that weren't even talked

931
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,440
about in the report he said that at that

932
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,760
that a virginia talk he gave the other

933
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,800
day

934
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,880
i just think we're poised for something

935
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,839
to happen i just can't imagine if the if

936
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,520
you take it for granted that the

937
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,000
phenomenon is real and you take it for

938
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,520
granted that we have this many people

939
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,520
looking at it now and you take it for

940
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,359
granted that people like lou aren't

941
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,520
lying that they're better video and

942
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,599
better photos and all these things

943
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,040
man it sure feels like we're going to

944
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,720
learn something

945
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,400
now you mentioned obviously project

946
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,560
galileo managed to secure

947
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
independent funding from a variety of

948
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,400
investors and backers

949
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,160
and it's a through harvard so it's all

950
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,079
official which is great

951
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,640
do you see more programs like that being

952
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,599
funded

953
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,320
and how long before this goes boom in

954
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,160
the mainstream if indeed you think it

955
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,000
will because surely that's where it

956
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,800
needs to go to go from people like avi

957
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,599
going out with the begging bowl to

958
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,359
people throwing their money at this in a

959
00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:48,800
really serious way

960
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,880
so in

961
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,960
1995 uh robert bigelow started something

962
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,200
called nids the national institute for

963
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,160
the discovery of sciences and

964
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,240
among other things it really was

965
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,560
designed to look into ufos and that was

966
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,560
in the early days of the internet you

967
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,960
could go on nude's website from in the

968
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,359
late 90s and look everything up

969
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,480
i think

970
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,680
we are in a in an era and moving into an

971
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:14,560
era

972
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,359
where

973
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,599
we have way more than just one robert

974
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,079
bigelow you know we have way more than

975
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,480
one wealthy person who's willing to go

976
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:24,880
to an avi lobe and say what do you need

977
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,920
1.7 million that's a that's a lunch tip

978
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,839
to a billionaire really it's it's

979
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,520
something that they can hand over and

980
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,079
not feel that money going out

981
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,240
i think we're in that environment i

982
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,400
think guys like brandon fugle doing what

983
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,640
he's doing is a very wealthy man i think

984
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,119
there are other players and again i

985
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,680
think we continue to move that way if

986
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,520
most of that money is still sitting in

987
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,760
the hands of people 60 and over which it

988
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,480
probably is across the world that money

989
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,640
is going to move into my generation it's

990
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,079
going to move into the millennial

991
00:38:03,750 --> 00:37:58,880
generation and those people

992
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,760
want answers so i think the idea of

993
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,839
you know a guy like

994
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,200
zuckerberg if he just decided i'd like

995
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,920
to know if aliens are real

996
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,560
and he called up avi loeb and said

997
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,760
forget 1.7 million what if you had 500

998
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,520
million how quickly could i get an

999
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,760
answer right so i think we're gonna see

1000
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,760
that will it be that big of a donation

1001
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,680
by one person no but that's the

1002
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,240
direction i see things going is more

1003
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,240
wealthy people that grew up on ancient

1004
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,400
aliens that just want an answer and just

1005
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,040
want to know and want to know is this a

1006
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:37,520
real danger what's the military saying

1007
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,280
and yeah just an intellectual curiosity

1008
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,280
i really hope so because again neil

1009
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,200
degrasse tyson's the name that everyone

1010
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,400
normally goes to

1011
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,240
in terms of their poo pooing of the

1012
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,160
whole ufo aliens coming from other

1013
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,640
places idea and and i can see why a man

1014
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,640
who's very serious like kim

1015
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,640
is very defensive or puts his guard up

1016
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,040
when he talks about this subject but

1017
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,839
what really confuses me is why

1018
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,000
a man who is a scientist at heart

1019
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,839
doesn't want to look into what could

1020
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,000
potentially be the biggest discovery in

1021
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,160
human history why wouldn't you want to

1022
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,079
know and why why do you think more

1023
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,480
people like him at this time aren't

1024
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,160
jumping on the bandwagon at least

1025
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,839
publicly maybe it's happening in the

1026
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,920
background who knows but

1027
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,440
why aren't they getting on board with

1028
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,440
this now when they see people like avi

1029
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,079
loeb the names like harvard coming into

1030
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,640
this and obviously the revelations from

1031
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:30,000
the us government from the last couple

1032
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,040
of years

1033
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,680
so uh it is happening first of all i

1034
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,520
will say like when i attend these

1035
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,839
conventions when i went to the aaia

1036
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,240
convention uh there were six speakers

1037
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,000
there five of them were mainstream

1038
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,560
scientists and professors one uh phillip

1039
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,800
alliers is from the european space

1040
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,119
agency he's uh uh you know

1041
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:51,680
we had ted rowe from narcap i mean

1042
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,079
the the volume of people in that area i

1043
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,160
don't want to speak negatively about

1044
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,720
neil because i love somebody that comes

1045
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,359
on and talks about signs and tries to be

1046
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,040
funny because it's something i try and

1047
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,000
do it's i try and bring that

1048
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,319
joy to it because it is fun it's the

1049
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,520
closest thing we have to magic for me is

1050
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,599
scientists going out and finding these

1051
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,760
impossible things and doing them

1052
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,920
engineers doing these impossible things

1053
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,400
so i love that with that being said i

1054
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,119
will just remind everybod everybody neil

1055
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,000
degrasse tyson's just a guy man he's a

1056
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,000
guy who puts his pants on like the rest

1057
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,640
of us so he's very smart he's very well

1058
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,720
educated knows way more about these

1059
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,079
things than i will ever know when it

1060
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,280
comes to astronomy and astrophysics but

1061
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,599
what's interesting is when you talk to

1062
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,200
people who are at least the smartest

1063
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,800
neil degrasse tyson they're very well

1064
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,119
informed in these areas they don't

1065
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,599
universally share his opinion that is

1066
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:51,680
not a universal opinion and i think if

1067
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,800
you're a public figure of the face of

1068
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,000
science like neil is i think you have a

1069
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,160
responsibility to exist in the most

1070
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
skeptical space i think neil's not doing

1071
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,440
a bad thing i think he's doing a good

1072
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,000
thing for science by saying scientists

1073
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,800
want proof i think what people like us

1074
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,160
are saying is

1075
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,720
the way i live my life

1076
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,800
is by odds what do i think is most

1077
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,640
likely going on because you never know a

1078
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,200
hundred percent what is going on in your

1079
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,040
life people are in 30-year marriages and

1080
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,720
find out their husband had a whole other

1081
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,680
family so you never really know what's

1082
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,160
going on you just operate on

1083
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,520
99

1084
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,560
one percent how sure am i so i think for

1085
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:36,800
those the rest of us we can act like a

1086
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,920
civil jury and say the preponderance of

1087
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,440
the evidence

1088
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,200
you know 51

1089
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,760
of a civil jury can ruin your favor and

1090
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,400
that's what you need you win i think we

1091
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,200
can exist in that space as curious

1092
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,440
people i think even scientists and

1093
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,760
researchers but if you're in a role like

1094
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,520
neil has

1095
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,839
where you really are i mean you know you

1096
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,440
say why aren't more jumping on the

1097
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,359
bandwagon i mean besides him and maybe

1098
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,520
like bill nye who would jump on are

1099
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,079
there that many high-profile famous

1100
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,079
scientists that we would even be waiting

1101
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,160
to hey who else is going to jump on the

1102
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,319
thing we all really just want to hear

1103
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,319
neil do it and the reason we want to

1104
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,079
hear you and i do too

1105
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,440
is because that will make it so real if

1106
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,680
a guy that skeptical who's that

1107
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:25,920
mainstream of a scientist really did

1108
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,319
come along andy and tell us like

1109
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,720
guys i'm sold i've seen the video i've

1110
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,520
seen the clips i've done i think aliens

1111
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,599
from another play i i think a lot of

1112
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,040
people be like hey that's good enough

1113
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,599
for me we convinced nick west and neil

1114
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,240
tyson i'm good so

1115
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,000
i don't have a problem with neil

1116
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,920
existing in that space i think he does

1117
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:47,920
science a favor by standing up for it

1118
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,359
that way but is it frustrating yeah does

1119
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,040
it make me look at him and go dude

1120
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,119
you're a scientist other scientists are

1121
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,599
looking at this there's all this amazing

1122
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,240
evidence why are you skeptical to it i

1123
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,880
think his position needs to be and

1124
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:04,400
continues to be

1125
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,319
science needs definitive reproducible

1126
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,720
results so i will not change my mind but

1127
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,760
i haven't ever heard him say he doesn't

1128
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,000
think it's a possibility does he think

1129
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,319
it's a low possibility sure but he's a

1130
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,640
little older than me he grew up again in

1131
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,720
an era where there was no exoplanets

1132
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,400
where there was none of those were in

1133
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,240
the habitable zone where water could

1134
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,640
exist where we hadn't send probes to

1135
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,640
other planets that roll around and take

1136
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,040
pictures and all that so

1137
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,119
i think it's a product of his generation

1138
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,520
a product of his position but i can tell

1139
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,599
you that the encouraging thing is it's

1140
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,119
not what i hear when i talk to

1141
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,960
mainstream scientists i talk to

1142
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,599
researchers at the because of my job at

1143
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,880
the debrief

1144
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,599
i talk to researchers around the globe

1145
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:54,960
at huge universities from

1146
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,920
france to england to south and central

1147
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,400
america to the states to other parts of

1148
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,040
europe to asia i talked to scientists

1149
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,319
everywhere and i've only had one

1150
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,359
person tell me uh you know i'd rather

1151
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,200
not deal with the debris because of your

1152
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,160
connection to ufos and that person's job

1153
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,880
is an astrobiologist they're looking for

1154
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:17,839
life

1155
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,880
on another planet and i think for people

1156
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,359
like that they may feel it hinders their

1157
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,000
efforts i'm looking for

1158
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,119
bacteria in a rock on a moon and you

1159
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,040
guys are talking about dudes in a flying

1160
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,079
saucer so i get that

1161
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,400
intellectual resistance from people who

1162
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,720
are trying to take it the scientific

1163
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,839
method but i i will reiterate my main

1164
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,079
point neil's just a guy

1165
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:46,720
there are plenty of obvi lobes out there

1166
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,680
there are plenty of really successful

1167
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,319
really well established scientists that

1168
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,800
you'll look in the face and go yeah i'm

1169
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,800
totally open to the idea of ufos and

1170
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,119
aliens visiting here

1171
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,800
that's a very fair response and we're

1172
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,040
about to see again science helping us

1173
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,480
out here are things like the james webb

1174
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,800
telescope going up into space and we

1175
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,280
have things like the lisa the laser

1176
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,079
interferometer space antenna and that's

1177
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,400
on the heisen for gravity gravitational

1178
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,720
wave detection so this is from my

1179
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,400
co-host dan for anyone wondering where

1180
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,760
i've got the big words from all of a

1181
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,560
sudden uh our ability and the universe

1182
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,720
to see into the universe is about to get

1183
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,960
an exponential upgrade what are some of

1184
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,800
your hopes for the immediate future of

1185
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,280
science and its role in this

1186
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,920
this is so huge the james webb telescope

1187
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,119
ligo lysa these other observatories

1188
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,240
this is huge again think about that that

1189
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,359
uh a hundred years ago every telescope

1190
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,920
we had was parked on earth looking up 50

1191
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:46,720
years

1192
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,359
planet looking up now an observation

1193
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,839
like james webb observatory like james

1194
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,640
webb

1195
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,359
will be up it'll be at lagrange too

1196
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,680
uh they confirmed for me on the ucr the

1197
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,319
other night so that basically puts the

1198
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:04,880
sun on the other side of the earth lets

1199
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,480
it look into the cosmos in a deeper way

1200
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:10,160
than we've ever had

1201
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,480
so again the uncontacted tribe in brazil

1202
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:16,800
is about to get a telescope of their own

1203
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,079
right like we're that uncontacted tribe

1204
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,079
and we're about to have the opportunity

1205
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,839
to look into places we've never looked

1206
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,480
before and what i think is going to be

1207
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,680
the biggest change that web brings us

1208
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,400
besides just mapping the cosmos and

1209
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,079
adding so much more volume of

1210
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:35,520
information

1211
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,720
is i think it will spot

1212
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,280
signs of biological life in the

1213
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,640
atmosphere of some exoplanets and let me

1214
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,319
ask you this

1215
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,960
nick no i'm just kidding andy

1216
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,440
let me ask you this

1217
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,200
if you were a kid in high school and you

1218
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,599
were taking science class and in the

1219
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,079
middle of science class they told you oh

1220
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,359
yeah there's a 20 000 exoplanets and

1221
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,520
we've already found signs of life around

1222
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,280
30 of them

1223
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,920
how weird would it seem that one of them

1224
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,160
sent a probe here

1225
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,839
right yeah not at all yeah so i firmly

1226
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,960
believe

1227
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,520
that as we've progressed the example i

1228
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,040
always use is sputnik going up in

1229
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,200
1947 or or so right around the same time

1230
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:25,200
as roswell and these other things yuri

1231
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,680
gagarin going up in 1957 in in russia

1232
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:30,960
all of these

1233
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,000
steps that mainstream science and

1234
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,160
astronomy has taken

1235
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,400
have increased the odds

1236
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,040
of ufos being visitors from another

1237
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,720
planet and not decrease them so whether

1238
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,520
science or mainstream scientists believe

1239
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:50,000
it or not really almost doesn't matter

1240
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,760
because they're they're slowly but

1241
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,079
surely building the case

1242
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,680
and you made the point earlier i've i've

1243
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,440
said before chris that

1244
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,720
you talk about why would another

1245
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,800
civilization send a probe here to fly

1246
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,880
about and do whatever but we have a

1247
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,720
probe on mars that

1248
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,040
every so often parks up and sets a

1249
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,200
little toy helicopter in there floats

1250
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,720
about a couple of feet and comes back

1251
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,280
down and any observing race who watches

1252
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,520
that would think that's crazy if you saw

1253
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,040
something like that here and described

1254
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,800
it no that's that's nuts why would

1255
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,800
anyone send that from another planet we

1256
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:22,960
are doing it ourselves so why wouldn't

1257
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,240
another civilization with 50 years even

1258
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,559
technological head start have something

1259
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,400
much much better like we know that we'll

1260
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,720
have in 50 years from now i can tell you

1261
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:33,520
i

1262
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,839
he's uh

1263
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,920
with the team they were funded by the

1264
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:01,920
same sonny white i mentioned earlier

1265
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,960
from nasa and funded to do research on

1266
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,359
directed energy propulsion basically

1267
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,599
what that is is you put a satellite up

1268
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,520
in space you point a laser at it you

1269
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,160
just push that satellite with laser

1270
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,720
light you just keep the laser turned on

1271
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,599
and

1272
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,960
imagine

1273
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,280
you know proxima's i know three four

1274
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,520
light years away other planet uh

1275
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,200
exoplanets we've looked at are maybe

1276
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,359
like 10 12 light years away

1277
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,400
so sending a probe at

1278
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,200
15 20 percent the speed of light to a

1279
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,800
planet that's only three or four light

1280
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,079
years away it's a 12 15 20 year mission

1281
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,920
we do missions like that all the time

1282
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,079
we've been planning the manned mars

1283
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,200
mission since the 90s to go up in the

1284
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,800
2030s

1285
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,760
and that's been planned for 40 years so

1286
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,000
uh yeah i i don't remember the exact

1287
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,160
question i'm off in left field here but

1288
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,760
no that's okay and listen and in the

1289
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,200
remaining minutes i want to get to a

1290
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,640
couple of listener questions because i

1291
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,079
had a few sent in

1292
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:02,640
and this one dan my co-host and nick

1293
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,920
also sent in to say that on ucr recently

1294
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,680
you spoke about a scientist having made

1295
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,240
an actual warp bubble can you expand on

1296
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,400
that how big was it how long did it last

1297
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,480
and how long until we can float around

1298
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,000
to alpha centauri it's almost like

1299
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,319
if i were a reporter rather than

1300
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,319
expanding on it i would write a whole

1301
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,960
story about it right so i'm being a wise

1302
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,839
guy no that's what's coming so um

1303
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,599
where are we now we're in the first week

1304
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,280
of november

1305
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:33,359
um

1306
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,559
i would say by thanksgiving

1307
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,040
i will be able to release that story

1308
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,200
i've communicated with the researcher

1309
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,359
multiple times i've been provided a lot

1310
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,800
of information

1311
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,760
i think the answers everyone wants

1312
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,680
how long was this work bubble created

1313
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,480
how big was it how can we scale it up to

1314
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,280
put a ship in it like what are what are

1315
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,359
the ins and outs of that thing i

1316
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,880
announced

1317
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,680
i will be putting a full

1318
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,319
debrief feature out on it so typically

1319
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,480
when i release a feature at the debrief

1320
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,960
that's like a magazine style like 3 000

1321
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,040
word multi-page story and that's what

1322
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,720
i'm working on so

1323
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,760
um look for that it'll be uh either

1324
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,359
thanksgiving present here in the states

1325
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,160
or an early christmas present hopefully

1326
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,079
for everyone but one way or another i

1327
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,480
will get that out this year uh once i

1328
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,599
have

1329
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,599
the remaining things i need from the

1330
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,000
people involved and the approvals to put

1331
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,160
certain pieces of information out but

1332
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,359
yes uh it's real it happened it's a

1333
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:38,000
mainstream researcher uh that's well

1334
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,800
known

1335
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079
and uh

1336
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,920
it it happened they made the bubble it's

1337
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,359
a real thing

1338
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,359
i think i have to follow up just one

1339
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,040
question that comes off the back of that

1340
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,880
and this is for all the listeners out

1341
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,640
there who aren't in the united states

1342
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,559
when is thanksgiving because to us

1343
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,440
that's just uh i think that's about 25th

1344
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,319
this year yeah it's always a thursday so

1345
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,200
the date moves about this year it's my

1346
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,680
little brother's birthday so i'll it's

1347
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,800
easy to remember it's november 25th

1348
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,160
and i hope you're giving your little

1349
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,160
brother at the heirloom of wars book one

1350
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,319
two and three the set just to get the

1351
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,680
names of your books in there for you

1352
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:16,000
chris that we'll talk about i appreciate

1353
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:17,200
it

1354
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,559
that's all right the links will be in

1355
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,640
the description anyway um we had the

1356
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,599
question from uh carl and he says is

1357
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,000
chris familiar with david perez and his

1358
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,800
ved drive

1359
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,839
uh

1360
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,720
a little bit that's the um the guy who

1361
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,640
had the patent the us patent

1362
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:39,200
i'm i'm a little familiar with it it's

1363
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,319
something

1364
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,880
is on the list to be looked into

1365
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,960
i have the helicity drive and a few

1366
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,880
other advanced propulsion systems i'm

1367
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,119
kind of working my way through so it's a

1368
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,359
fair question i believe that's who that

1369
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,559
is i think it was somebody who was

1370
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,559
working with the department of defense

1371
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:56,160
and all of a sudden people saw this

1372
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,200
patent

1373
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,280
pop up online for basically like an

1374
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,319
anti-gravity uh device an anti-gravity

1375
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:04,319
drive i think that's who that is i can

1376
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,599
tell you and i've mentioned this

1377
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,760
previously uh in the field of

1378
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,599
anti-gravity i have a pretty exciting

1379
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:11,200
story coming before the end of the year

1380
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,240
as well

1381
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,319
awesome one last question from regular

1382
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,720
contributor dave what do you think of

1383
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,720
the work going on around apparently

1384
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,200
recovered meta materials at the moment

1385
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,280
uh where do you think it's got to uh and

1386
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,440
does the apparently molecular layering

1387
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,119
of some of the materials indicate a

1388
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,440
technology beyond ours

1389
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,319
so

1390
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,359
uh

1391
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,160
i would say if you found a crashed ship

1392
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:36,880
in say 1947 somewhere outside in new

1393
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,520
mexico and it was designed using

1394
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,480
technology we used in 2021

1395
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:44,880
in material science it might be really

1396
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,640
hard to understand or grasp its use so i

1397
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,559
think it's might be altogether be

1398
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,240
possible that if we do have such

1399
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,119
material we're still not completely sure

1400
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,200
the method or the use or whatever what i

1401
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,359
will tell you andy is in

1402
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,599
in modern science and i've written more

1403
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,680
than one story about it

1404
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,079
we are designing things

1405
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,880
one molecule at a time

1406
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,640
things like graphene

1407
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:12,480
and these other two-dimensional

1408
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:15,280
materials we are now doing that so we

1409
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:19,280
are designing at the molecular level so

1410
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,359
uh advanced materials uh layering of 2d

1411
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,680
materials there's a science called twist

1412
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,839
tronics where you lay them and twist

1413
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,920
them you get weird electromagnetic

1414
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,400
effects that may factor into things like

1415
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,319
warp drives or anti-gravity and things

1416
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:36,480
like that so yeah i

1417
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,319
met a materials is as significant a part

1418
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,319
you know what the stuff is made of is

1419
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,160
significant is what we try and make it

1420
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,480
do so the computer programs and the

1421
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,000
knowledge and the information we put

1422
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,240
into doing something but the material

1423
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,559
itself is as critical as science as

1424
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,720
anything else so uh yeah i think we're

1425
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,079
moving uh

1426
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,520
moving ahead

1427
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,839
as far as the things that

1428
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,000
may or may not be in some hands of some

1429
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,000
humans that weren't ours that are being

1430
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,119
tested and maybe a peer-reviewed paper

1431
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,960
all that i'm told that's all still

1432
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,640
happening and all still coming those are

1433
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,400
the type of questions i ask at the

1434
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,640
debrief this is the type of questions i

1435
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,960
asked tim and micah and mj as i go hey

1436
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,480
what's going on with this or what's

1437
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,400
going on with that because they're tuned

1438
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,880
into those stories so yes i'm under the

1439
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,880
impression that that something is still

1440
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,119
pending there and that louis elizando

1441
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,760
may be part of that announcement even

1442
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
that would be good to hear and you know

1443
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,040
very quickly before we finish up

1444
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,799
something that changed the way i think a

1445
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,400
little bit about some of the the

1446
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,720
meta-material stuff when the trinity

1447
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,799
book from paola harris and jack vale was

1448
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:42,880
released there were pictures in there of

1449
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,000
a hinge or bracket type object which was

1450
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:48,720
noted as being a potential meta material

1451
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,160
in the book by paola and jack valet on

1452
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,839
his interview with george knapp just

1453
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,079
last week discussed the idea that you

1454
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,079
know what that potentially was recovered

1455
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,720
from a craft but he he gave the idea

1456
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,319
that think about it it could have been

1457
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,640
something that if you were the us army

1458
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,440
and you found a craft you would have to

1459
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,280
at the time prop it up you would be

1460
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,520
inside investigating and you would have

1461
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,640
your own equipment and it could

1462
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,559
potentially be something from the us

1463
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,799
army's own equipment that was left

1464
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,839
inside one of these craft which was then

1465
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,160
found in the desert or taken away hence

1466
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:24,000
it would have potentially radioactive

1467
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,200
properties

1468
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,520
and technically be a meta material but

1469
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,960
it's actually something of ours that was

1470
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,920
left on board an exotic craft and i just

1471
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,680
thought you know what it's a great point

1472
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,520
from jacques valley yeah of course he's

1473
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:38,000
made many but just to sometimes take a

1474
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,839
step back and think about these things a

1475
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,359
little bit it doesn't always have to be

1476
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,599
one or the other it could be something

1477
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,280
else and that can agree area which i

1478
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,960
thought was a really interesting way to

1479
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,079
look at that i

1480
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,400
love having so many smart people in this

1481
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,400
field you know i know there there are

1482
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,559
many quarters of youtube and twitter

1483
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,480
that we could go hang out and we could

1484
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,160
we can read about fashion or the

1485
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,160
kardashians or whatever else we found

1486
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:01,920
interesting because one of my favorite

1487
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,640
things about this ufo in this research

1488
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,880
field is just how smart the people

1489
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,559
involved here and jacques villa is no

1490
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,839
exception

1491
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,960
i thought you were talking about me

1492
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,520
chris but yeah no chris yeah i don't

1493
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,440
know i'm gonna say so far he'd been

1494
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,200
pretty unimpressive my friend no just

1495
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,799
kidding yeah though and and the

1496
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,640
feeling's mutual yes right you're like

1497
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,400
yeah chris where's that character from

1498
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,119
the ucr interview that guy was on fire

1499
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,480
how do i get him

1500
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,839
i'm just looking for the delete button

1501
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,359
but let's impress we've run out of time

1502
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,119
chris how can people find you and find

1503
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:33,760
your work and follow what you do uh

1504
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,200
easiest two places are thedebrief.org

1505
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,200
i'm a head science writer write

1506
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,280
regularly over there i have at least

1507
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,440
three stories every week coming out and

1508
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:45,440
then if you want to follow me personally

1509
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,400
the easiest is just twitter at plane

1510
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,359
which is my last name underscore fiction

1511
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,480
so at plane underscore fiction and i'm

1512
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,079
over there tweeting

1513
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,480
the wise guy stuff all the time

1514
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,319
chris i'm already looking forward to the

1515
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,760
next time we can chat and hopefully we

1516
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,440
can do that before christmas or

1517
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,440
thanksgiving which is the 25th of

1518
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,599
november right here right

1519
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,319
i think uh i have some as i said i i

1520
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,720
have probably three pretty significant

1521
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,119
stories planned to roll out between now

1522
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:17,359
and the end of the year and uh andy if

1523
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,640
you'd like to have me on to come talk

1524
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,960
about i would love to that would be fun

1525
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,359
absolutely that is all for this week's

1526
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,599
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1527
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,440
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1528
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1529
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1530
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00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,400
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